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Wavy70
How can you be sure that the Palms and El Cortez have the best hold %'s in Vegas? Does someone actually perform studies over every casino? How accurate are the studies (i.e. sample size)?
The Palms and El Cortez opened their books to Anthony Curtis from Las Vegas Advisor and the El Cortez hired a firm CDC Consulting to do an analysis.
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The Palms and El Cortez opened their books to Anthony Curtis from Las Vegas Advisor and the El Cortez hired a firm CDC Consulting to do an analysis.
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Do all Veags casinos do that? Or are they just comparing those numbers to what the published 'win' percentages for each of the regions?
mkl654321
Do all Veags casinos do that? Or are they just comparing those numbers to what the published 'win' percentages for each of the regions?
Most don't (in fact, the EC and the Palms are the only ones that I'm aware of that have), but the comparisons with the overall numbers are still valid.
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IAchance5
El Cortez Craps
A new El Cortez review here at the WoV has some very inaccurate ( I think) Gambling info included.
I was just there 4 weeks ago and have been a regular visitor for over 2 years.
Craps has been a $3 to $1000, 10 times odds table for the longest time. Have never seen $1 craps there.
Most evening both tables are open until shift change when they close one.
I sure hope they have not changed.
They also have 4 roulette tables with 25 cent minimum bets, right next to the $5 min mini-baccarat table.
1 $5 min 3 card poker,
1 $5 min pai-gow poker
I will be there next week to find out for sure.
I was just there 4 weeks ago and have been a regular visitor for over 2 years.
Craps has been a $3 to $1000, 10 times odds table for the longest time. Have never seen $1 craps there.
Most evening both tables are open until shift change when they close one.
I sure hope they have not changed.
They also have 4 roulette tables with 25 cent minimum bets, right next to the $5 min mini-baccarat table.
1 $5 min 3 card poker,
1 $5 min pai-gow poker
I will be there next week to find out for sure.
Did you ever go back to verify these table games there??
mkl654321
Did you ever go back to verify these table games there??
If any review of any casino is more than six minutes old, the number, configuration, and limits of the tables will almost certainly have changed since the review was written. Keep in mind that the reviews were written on a given date, and usually haven't been updated.
It's not so much that those reviews are 'inaccurate', as that the Wiz doesn't have the time or resources to revisit every one of the casinos reviewed once a week to count all the blackjack tables.
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7winner
Did you ever go back to verify these table games there??
I just returned from a 3 day stay at the El Cortez. I am never in Vegas on weekends so this is from tues thru friday.
Craps still during the week a $3 to $1000, 10 times odds table. Both box that I asked about $1 minimum said they have not had $1 craps for over a few years now.
Most evening weekends, as I was told, both tables are open until shift change when they close one.
Lots of fleas and low-lifes play craps at the EC.
Half of the Buy-ins I saw was for $20 and these players were mostly rude, making constant late bets, wanting, wanting and wanting. One fat, white guy.. you could tell he just fell off a truck, like me- hehe, bought in for $20, in the middle of a hand, took his sweet time picking up his chips, made a late bet, the dice hit his hand and 7 out the table. I left after that one. I hate scum craps players and there are plenty to go around at the EC.
El Cortez Bubble Craps
Watch your chips and bets closley. When only 1 table is open, like most weekdays, the Craps table gets crowed with about 10 players since you can count on a few wheelchairs, walkers and O2 tanks and a few very obese players, both male and female that take up so much room at the rail it is NOT funny.
Most of the dealers are breakins but they have good box at most times.
They also have 4 roulette tables with 25 cent minimum bets, right next to the $5 min mini-baccarat table.
3 table blackjack pit next to the 4 roulette tables- you can not miss the roulette tables. 4 marquees always lit up with the past spins.
$3 min. I hate Blackjack, dealing and playing so I say no more.
They have a few more 21 tables in the main pit around the corner from the cage. One was a min $25 table. Again, no 21 info from me.
1 $5 to $100 min 3 card poker
1 $5 min pai-gow poker
I found playing Craps in the morning and late evening more enjoyable, better group of older players with $100 buy-ins or more and hope to return there soon.
For $3 and $5 minimum bets, EC, they have them.
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DJTeddyBear
If it's $3 craps, can you bet / press in half-units?I.E. Can I have a $3 place bet and get paid $3.50?
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7winner
If it's $3 craps, can you bet / press in half-units?
I.E. Can I have a $3 place bet and get paid $3.50?
I.E. Can I have a $3 place bet and get paid $3.50?
Yes, they have either 50cent chips or 50 cent coins.
Even saw one player press up $3, to $6 then to $9 and was paid exactly $10.50.
Also, I saw many times points of 5 and 9s with $3 odds and they were paid $4.50.
I also played a lot at The Fremont that is Downtown, where they have only 1 $3 table 24/7 and also 50 cent chips. $3 place 6&8 also paid $3.50.
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mkl654321
Craps still during the week a $3 to $1000, 10 times odds table. Both box that I asked about $1 minimum said they have not had $1 craps for over a few years now.
Odd, I'm certain I played $1 craps there about a year ago. They could have done that for graveyard shift or something.
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dudestupid
Last time I was there, it was $3 minimum, but I guess you only had to bet $1 on prob bets.
Several of the people there were only doing props; the pass line was too high-rolling for them, I guess.
When their bankrolls got low, they may only bet a buck at a time. Maybe if the table had been crowded, the dealers would have enforced the minimum.
I guess there's no sense in letting them leave with 2 bucks.
Several of the people there were only doing props; the pass line was too high-rolling for them, I guess.
When their bankrolls got low, they may only bet a buck at a time. Maybe if the table had been crowded, the dealers would have enforced the minimum.
I guess there's no sense in letting them leave with 2 bucks.
waltomeal
This thread reminded me of something that happened to me in January. I wanted to ask the resident gamblers about it, because the whole experience left me confused.
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
MrV
Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
No, but given that you were playing at the El Cortez, you probably had a green break in dealer who was essentially clueless.
There is no reason for a casino not to book that bet, other than ignorance.
'What, me worry?'
waltomeal
No, but given that you were playing at the El Cortez, you probably had a green break in dealer who was essentially clueless.
That makes sense, but it didn't actually come from the dealer. It was the box lady, who I would figure to have a bit more experience. The dealer never looked twice at my press.
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RaleighCraps
I thought I was going to jail when I upped my pass line bet in AC 14 years ago. The box there was a total ass about it. I said 'sorry, I do this all the time in Vegas, and since it is an advantage to the casino, I am surprised you don't allow it.' The brilliant reply I got? 'You ain't in Vegas.'In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount. If you can't do that, you are better off just adding a place bet on the point if you want more action. You will get paid better, and you have the ability to take ALL of the bet back if you want. When you up the pass line, you can only take back the odds. The amount you are only going to get paid 1-1 must stay in action.
Calculate your payoffs on what you are doing with the PL add-on, and then calculate if you made place bets instead, and I think you will find the amounts are the same, or better, with the place bet.
Where it used to make sense to up the pass line was on a table where they were playing all 3x odds. On a $10 PL bet, point of 6, you could put down 30 in odds. But if you asked the dealer, many times if your PL bet was 15, they would treat it like it was 25, and allow you to put down 75 in odds, effectively giving you 5x odds. So every time I had a point of 6 or 8, and a $10 PL bet, I would up the PL to $15 and then put down $75 in odds. This was a better play, because the extra $5 PL bet allowed me to put down an additional $40 in odds, or 8x. 3-4-5x tables pretty much eliminated the need for this play.
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YoDiceRoll11
I thought I was going to jail when I upped my pass line bet in AC 14 years ago. The box there was a total ass about it. I said 'sorry, I do this all the time in Vegas, and since it is an advantage to the casino, I am surprised you don't allow it.' The brilliant reply I got? 'You ain't in Vegas.'
In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
In spite of offers for free junkets and rooms, I have never returned to AC, and likely never will.
LOL what a ploppy idiot.
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But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount. If you can't do that, you are better off just adding a place bet on the point if you want more action. You will get paid better, and you have the ability to take ALL of the bet back if you want.
BINGO!!!! If you only read one thing on this thread, read the above quote.
waltomeal
But, they did get me thinking about the play, and I realized that upping the pass-line is just not a good play, unless you can put down more than 5x odds on the increased amount.
Yep. They have 10x odds at EC, so when I get past the limit, I drop $1 on the line and $10 on odds. The house still has an advantage overall, so I'm not sure why the objection.
Nice to hear that my experience is not unique anyway. 'You ain't in Vegas' makes me smile, just a little bit.
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AlanRRT
I think I know which box lady told you this. She has been there for a few years, and always seems frustrated working with break in dealers.
I was playing at Primm a few months ago, they are 3-4-5x odds and $2 minimum in the off hours. I was playing the minimum, and taking max odds. I get confused by 3-4-5x odds, so when the come went to 6 or 8, I said '$15 odds' and the dealer would press my flat bet up to $3, and give me the $15 odds that I asked for. I didn't notice at first because the dealer took the extra dollar from my place bet that was taken down. So the dealer was essentially doing what you were reprimanded for doing. I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
I was playing at Primm a few months ago, they are 3-4-5x odds and $2 minimum in the off hours. I was playing the minimum, and taking max odds. I get confused by 3-4-5x odds, so when the come went to 6 or 8, I said '$15 odds' and the dealer would press my flat bet up to $3, and give me the $15 odds that I asked for. I didn't notice at first because the dealer took the extra dollar from my place bet that was taken down. So the dealer was essentially doing what you were reprimanded for doing. I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
AlanMendelson
Ive never played at EC but I do not think the 'put bet' is allowed uniformly. I always ask first. I have found at some casinos they arent sure what it is. Even at Caesars I asked and got two answers. The second answer came from a pit boss-- which was 'yes.' I asked because the point rolled was an inside number and it was an opportunity for me to use a large promo chip for the odds.
s2dbaker
I'm mystified as to why they would not allow you to press your bet up.
Here's the thing. If you did not increase your odds bet, then would you have pressed your pass line bet? No! Taking it to the extreme, if I wanted to, I could put the minimum on the pass line and then when the point came out, I could just increase my pass line bet to whatever I want so that I can get 1000x odds against my original bet amount. It still works out for the casino but it violates the intent of the rules.Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, 'Was that her?' and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, 'That was her!' But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
AZDuffman
This thread reminded me of something that happened to me in January. I wanted to ask the resident gamblers about it, because the whole experience left me confused.
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
I have a betting pattern in which I gradually increase my pass line odds. If I get to the point where the pressure exceeds the maximum allowable bet, I just increase the pass bet so that it is legal. I've never had a problem implementing it previously. But playing at EC, the box lady noticed me adding to my pass bet and waved me off, saying I couldn't do that. As I understand it, a put bet would be to their advantage. Can anyone think of a sane reason not to allow it?
So if I read this right you just wanted to add $1 to your pass line bet after the point was established?
No reason not to allow that. I think it was covered that this was allowed on the first day of dealer school. If not the first then the second.
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